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  • 14 Mar 2017 4:27 PM
    Reply # 4666896 on 4605538

    Amazing that the 1st place car was a whole 0.4 seconds faster than 2nd place over 54 minutes of racing. WOW. And 3rd was just another 6.4 seconds slower. Sure glad it was electronic timing for accuracy. I expect the timing officials did multiple accuracy checks. Find results here: http://cscc.ab.ca/cochrane/#entry

  • 14 Mar 2017 1:46 PM
    Reply # 4666558 on 4605538

    I want to add my thanks to Garry & all operators for a great Rally experience. It was the first time in my many years of involvement as a Marshall or Radio Operator that we had to use Simplex - worked surprisingly well - although it was hard to keep in mind that just because I could hear communication from 2 locations, that they didn't necessarily hear each other.

    The addition of the secondary communication channel facilitated operations. But I think I made a mistake when calling Service on secondary for a trailer to come to support a car's team at the end of Stage 8. Lesson to learn is to remember which type of traffic to do on  which channel - it's called 'Net Control' for a reason.

    "See" you in Invermere at the end of May!

    Wilson Loree

    VA6JWL

  • 14 Mar 2017 12:35 PM
    Reply # 4666390 on 4666337

    I'd like to "second" my support for the two-channel approach - I thought that worked quite well. I'd even like to propose that we extend the application of this approach a bit more and call the primary net the "operational" net, and the secondary the "administrative" net - I noticed at the end of the eighth stage there was a lot of traffic relating to logistics and administration in the move to the last two stages while the eighth stage was still "live" leading to congestion and delay in getting messages. Having all of that admin/logistics traffic on the admin net would have helped, I think. Reserving the "ops" net for the live stage to complete (ie. until the road is open and vehicle traffic is ready to go) could potentially be a safety enhancement (though it wasn't really an issue at all in this case). 
    So maybe we need to make sure we have two portable repeaters in our kit bag...  ;)

    Garry Spicer wrote:

    Finally, the introduction of a two-channel approach to managing radio traffic was generally successful, and received positive feedback from rally officials and radio operators. With the rally stage operations traffic on the primary channel, and the logistics and support functions taking place on a secondary channel, we were able to smoothly get our field units into place and safely back out without distracting the rally control operators. CARA operators did a good job of handling the procedural changes associated with switching between the two channels.

  • 14 Mar 2017 11:47 AM
    Reply # 4666337 on 4605538
    Garry Spicer (Administrator)

    Hello all;

    It was a great event! I hope that everyone else had as good a time as I did - it's hard to beat a day out in the mountains doing mobile radio operations! I needed a day to recover, so here is my summary of the rally day at last.

    First off, I want to thank all the radio operators who put in time and effort for training and operation at the rally. It's a credit to the quality of CARA members that we were able to pull it off so well, despite the cold weather and technical challenges. Nice job!

    I was impressed with how well everyone implemented the material from the training session. With that material, you guys easily handled the technical problems that we experienced on rally day. Thanks to everyone who made time to attend the training.

    It was great to once again work with our partners from the Calgary Sports Car Club. They have so much enthusiasm, are very knowledgeable, and know how to have a good time while getting the job done. I look forward to collaborating with them on future rallies and continually improving our planning processes so that we can get timely information to our radio operator volunteers.

    This was my first time in the role of Radio Coordinator, so I appreciate everyone's support and patience as I learned the ropes. In particular, I'd like to thank CARA members: Dave Cason, Harry Maylor, Dana Harding, Gord Hungerford, Robin Greig, and Rob Wilson for their extra support in pulling together the CARA responsibilities for this rally. The success of the event is largely a result of efforts made by these people. In the future, there should likely be two or three CARA members involved in planning the radio operations part of a rally - there's plenty to do in getting ready for these things! So, if you're interested, step forward and put your name into the hat!

    Despite all the successes we had on Sunday, we did have some technical challenges. The VE6GAB repeater is a solar powered unit, and while it was working fine on the Saturday afternoon before the rally, it seems the batteries got drained overnight. Perhaps the very cold weather had something to do with it. Given the situation, we decided to move the Rally Control traffic to the backup simplex channel. After the sun had been up for a couple of hours, the VE6GAB repeater came back to life and we were able to use it for some of the logistics support traffic. However, since we didn't know how much charge would be in the batteries, the Rally Masters didn't feel confident using VE6GAB for the primary Rally Control channel. The safety implications of having the primary channel fail in the middle of a rally stage led the Rally Masters to decide that it was best to continue using the backup simplex channel for this purpose. In any case, we are grateful to Dave (VE6GAD) for his permission to use this repeater for the rally.

    Clearly Murphy's Law was working overtime on rally day, as we encountered some serious problems with the VE6AUY repeater, as well. The squelch tail noise had been known to occur intermittently in the past, but on rally day it was very loud and very consistent, rendering use of this repeater very difficult. I appreciate everyone being so tolerant of the situation and making the best of it. A request for attention to this problem has been submitted and perhaps it will be addressed in the near future.

    On a positive note, APRS seems to have functioned as expected! Use of this technology proved helpful in managing the arrival and departure of field units, and was particularly handy in assisting lost drivers. I hope that we can continue to promote and improve use of this technology for field events, such as rallies.

    On a side note, for future rallies we may consider deploying a temporary portable repeater. This approach has certain advantages, as it could provide options that are difficult to obtain with fixed repeaters. For example, it may be possible to relocate a portable repeater that is experiencing interference, or reorient the antenna for improved coverage of a venue. However, anytime we deploy such technology, we also have to consider the logistics of setup, takedown, power, configuration, and fail soft operation. We'll be looking into what it takes to make something like this happen.

    Finally, the introduction of a two-channel approach to managing radio traffic was generally successful, and received positive feedback from rally officials and radio operators. With the rally stage operations traffic on the primary channel, and the logistics and support functions taking place on a secondary channel, we were able to smoothly get our field units into place and safely back out without distracting the rally control operators. CARA operators did a good job of handling the procedural changes associated with switching between the two channels.

    In closing, perhaps the most important lesson is that preparation is vital to success in these events. We simply do not control many of the "day-of" variables, such as weather, technical failures, and mistakes. However, we do have control over what we do *before* the event to get ready for it. By taking the time to be well prepared, the system is resilient enough to handle almost anything that gets thrown at it.


    73,
    Garry Spicer
    VE6GDS
    CARA Radio Coordinator, Cochrane Winter Rally 2017

     

  • 14 Mar 2017 9:24 AM
    Reply # 4666067 on 4605538
    Deleted user

    While I can't specifically speak to the situation that you were experiencing with regards to repeater operation..... Note that because the VE6AUY (147.06) and VE6GAB (147.075) repeaters are so ridiculously close in frequency (only 0.015khz apart)  -- there is bound to be interactions and desense when both are keyed up.

    I don't know what the history of the repeater frequency coordination, but it was probably a bad idea to have approved these frequencies so close to one another. Granted, VE6GAB  probably gets more use through the year, and VE6AUY not as much.

    Tino, VE6MB


  • 13 Mar 2017 4:59 PM
    Reply # 4664774 on 4605538

    Howdy all,  great working with you guys and gals again this weekend, I hope a fun time was had by all. 

    Was a bit bummed that we were on simplex when I got there, but even though it was a bit more logistically challenging, it was workable and most of the day I could transmit to and receive from control and service.

    I wanted to ask any of you that are "in the know" what the deal is with that AUY repeater?  I had the tone and non-standard offset applied and could communicate with other stations, but it seemed like there was a wicked squelch tail on the receiver, and many times during the day I just heard static for minutes on end instead of voices.   I tried a few things on my end, but nothing worked.   I guess I'm just wondering if there's anything I could have done, and how much of this is due to my setup and knowledge and how much is due to the actual repeater.  It's the first time I've had these issues on the few repeaters I use in AB and BC.    Thanks! 

    Last modified: 13 Mar 2017 4:59 PM | Pat Stirling
  • 10 Mar 2017 2:25 PM
    Reply # 4660150 on 4605538
    Garry Spicer (Administrator)

    *** IMPORTANT CORRECTION ***

    The booklet given out at the radio operator training last night has an incorrect offset for the VE6AUY repeater. The correct information is:

    VE6AUY repeater 147.060 -600kHz PL 110.9 SECONDARY VOICE

    The information is given correctly in the Radio Configuration Guidelines published earlier. Please check your radio configurations to be sure you have the correct programming for the rally.

    Apologies for the confusion.

     

  • 10 Mar 2017 10:42 AM
    Reply # 4659752 on 4605538
    Garry Spicer (Administrator)

    For anyone who was not at the radio operator training session last night, here is a copy of the radio operator guidebook. It's one version prior to the guidebook that was given out last night, but it has most of the key material in it.

     https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4XGJ_yDcEzMYzZ2VGlxSzVsMjQ/view?usp=sharing

  • 10 Mar 2017 10:31 AM
    Reply # 4659741 on 4605538
    Garry Spicer (Administrator)

    Hi all;

    A couple of opportunities have come up for people to help at the rally on Saturday 11 March (tomorrow).  The job descriptions are below. If you are interested, please contact Clem at:  cscc.volunteer@gmail.com

    Opportunity 1:

    Recce Control/Checkpoint

    Prerequisites: None, training is provided

    Reports to: Chief Marshal

    Location: End of Stage Road

    Duties: Arrive at designated location (start of finish of a stage road) before competitors are due to begin their recce. As competitors pass you and enter the stage road, initial and mark the time they went through their checkpoint on their recce log. If it is a dead end road, also ensure as they come back the first time, you mark the time and initial their log on the second entry. Ensure competitors only get a maximum of 2 passes at the road, restricting them from entering a 3rd time.

     

    Opportunity 2:

    Radar Operator

    For radar, it is the same thing (as the Recce Control / Checkpoint), except they will go hide somewhere either on an actual stage or in transit, and basically radar the vehicle if they are speeding.  Kind of fun actually, there are no stipulations where they hide or go, just as long as they are safe and that they move to another location from time to time. 

     

     

  • 09 Mar 2017 11:35 PM
    Reply # 4658536 on 4605538
    Garry Spicer (Administrator)

    Thanks to everyone who came out to the Rally Preparation Session this evening. An extra thanks to those who helped out with the projector and providing additional advice for the rookies.

    Here is the latest assignment sheet:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4XGJ_yDcEzMaFBFQ05XSFVUOEU/view?usp=sharing

    Here is Dave Cason's ultimate packing list:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4XGJ_yDcEzMb2dEZjBLSDktMGc/view?usp=sharing

     

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