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Emergency response to call on a repeater - ideas to be prepared

  • 25 Feb 2025 5:06 AM
    Reply # 13467297 on 13462667
    Peter LaGrandeur (Administrator)
    George P. Demetre wrote:

    Here are two suggestions. Since you created this from scratch, a good source to augment your work is the Maritime Radio Course on Distress Communication.

    Another great source would be to contact the 911 folks; they have a true and tried procedure. A recent call I made had these two questions first: how may we reconnect if needed and where are you?

    73 dit dit

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    For reference, pursuant to George's reference to the Maritime Radio distress calling,

    there are three official types of calls for help.  The MAYDAY or PANPAN would be of the type being referred to in the topic of this thread.

    Distress:  "MAYDAY"   a ship, aircraft or other vehicle is threatened by grave and imminent danger and requires immediate assistance.  All stations that hear it shall immediately cease any transmission capable of interfering with Distress traffic and shall continue to listen on that frequency until it is clear that they cannot be of any assistance.

    Once engaged in a MAYDAY call, there is specific protocol on how to do the calling.

    +++++++++++++++

    Urgency:  "PAN PAN"  the calling station has a very urgent message to transmit concerning the safety of a ship, aircraft, other vehicle or person

    +++++++++++++++++

    Safety:  "SÉCURITÉ"  the calling station is about to transmit a message containing an important navigational or meteorological warning

    ++++++++++++++++++

    The ISED/Transport Canada's

    Radio Operator Certificate (Marine) 'ROC(M)'

    aka 'Maritime Radio'

    or

    Radio Operator Certificate (Aviation) 'ROC(A)'

    are two radio operator certificates that would nicely round out any amateur radio operator's knowledge and credentials.   

    Note that radio hardware used for each of amateur, maritime VHF, and aviation VHF are "type specific" unless in times of real emergency.

    The question I often get is "if I already have the Amateur Radio 'Basic' certificate, will I already have the knowledge to challenge the ROC(M) exam?"

    The answer to that is: "some of the material is the same, e.g. the phonetic alphabet, but there is additional material to learn, over and above basic amateur."

    Where to get your Maritime Radio ROC(M) certification:

    Anyone wishing to achieve the ROC(M) 'Maritime Radio' course may do so on-line in self-study format at the following link:

    https://www.canboat.ca/course-calendar/?cps_show_course_details_id=341&cps_show_class_id=7204

    Study at your own pace on your own time.  Start anytime.  The course is available on-line 24/7 for sixty days.  This on-line course is often completed in three evenings or over a weekend.  The written exam is on-line, and the oral exam is done with a Registered Examiner over a live web conference session.  Current cost is CAD$145 and includes the ISED federal license and a wallet card mailed to you.

    .

    Peter LaGrandeur VA6RPL, Education Officer

    CanBoat Calgary   seo-calgary@cps-ecp.org

    CanBoat is formerly known as the Canadian Power and Sail Squadrons.

    Last modified: 25 Feb 2025 5:28 AM | Peter LaGrandeur (Administrator)
  • 24 Feb 2025 11:07 PM
    Reply # 13467252 on 13460515

    Here is V 2.1 of the emergency response preparations ideas - thanks to all the suggestions for improvement. We have tried to add the additional ideas while maintaining one page length. Colin and I are also wondering if an emergency preparedness/go kit document should be developed. Ideas?

    Here's the document with a pdf attached for easy printing.

    DRAFT Ideas for an amateur radio operator to respond to an emergency radio call V2.1

    If you hear a call for an emergency while on the air on your own or as Net Control, first confirm that it is indeed an emergency call for help. Say "I hear a call for emergency - please say again" and then determine what's the situation and what's needed. Reply with your name, callsign & the message that you’ll try to help the caller.

    1. Be aware of your own safety. Are you in a safe location to respond? Are you able to do a longer event? You may need to hand-off to another operator.

    2. Determine the nature of the emergency – IS ANYONE INJURED? & what services are required (Police, EMS, Fire, Animal Control) so you can provide that information to 911 or other authorities. Make notes of the time, frequency & the information you’ll relay to get aid. You may start each transmission with “EMERGENCY or MAYDAY’ to notify any listeners that an emergency communication is in process.

    3. Learn the location of the incident before initiating your call, - you want to know: Is it an address? Is it on the road? Is it on the Highway? Is it off-road? Ask the party what street (ave), what direction, before or after what cross street (ave), what highway/road, nearby town. This helps emergency services know the best way to approach.

    4. How many involved? Number of people, number of injuries, and if animals are involved as passengers or victims. Is there fire? You may be asked for Adult/child? Sex?

    5. What is involved? Is it a vehicle incident? Wildlife? Structure? Landscape?

    6. Call 911 or relevant authorities and advise them that you are relaying for a third party by radio. This way they know there may be pauses in your response to their questions. If the emergency involves 911, the first questions you will be asked is “What is the location of the emergency? What is the nature of the emergency? Are there any injuries?” and/or “What service do you require?” Name what service (Police, EMS, Fire, Animal Control) so they can bring that up on their response call-out screen. 911 operators will have their question protocol to identify the required response. You may be asked how to reconnect if connection to 911 is lost.

    7. Provide the information you’ve gathered in response to 911’s questions, supplementing with responses relayed to & from the original caller. Follow the guidance of the authorities if they want you to stay on the line & relay messages to the emergency caller.

    8. Remember to stay calm. Even if you know the person you are relaying for, you must first gather the needed information before you provide comfort. If you are calm and unemotional it will help to keep their emotions at bay while gathering information.

    9. Keep control of the frequency - State you are handling an emergency and to please stand by. Repeat this several times during the emergency in case someone just just tuned in and is preparing to make contact. If your request was missed, then let the caller know and to please stand by. As controller, you may ask another radio operator do this for you as you may be busy with Emergency Services.

    10. Manage radio resources, path, reverse, simplex, battery capacity. It may involve changing position for better reception or using reverse or simplex to communicate with the emergency caller. Be aware of battery condition with strategies to extend use time.

    For those listening, Do Not offer help unless asked to do so, Net Control is in control. Emergency Services is likely going to keep you on line until they report Emergency Responders have arrived or the party you are relaying for tells you they have arrived. This will end your 911 call.

    You can now thank those waiting patiently and get back to your Net or return the repeater to regular service.

    Prepared by Wilson VA6JWL with input from Colin, VE6GBY & Neeroo VE6NRO February 2025

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    Last modified: 05 Mar 2025 11:23 AM | Wilson Loree
  • 16 Feb 2025 2:11 AM
    Reply # 13463776 on 13460515
    Dana Harding (Administrator)

    This is good stuff.

    For your consideration, two topics come up for me:

    1. Take care of yourself.

    2. Some radio specific considerations.


    1. Take care of yourself

    Take care of yourself first, and keep an eye on your own situation.

    In the context of running a Net Control station - you are probably already set up reasonably well.

    If you are mobile - you are able to move around to get a better path. If your communication is working now - you probably want to pull over before you move into a place where you don't have a path anymore. But if the best radio path you are getting is on the outside curve of a busy icy highway with other cars already in the ditch nearby: it is too hazardous for you to stay there.

    How long can you stay available for this response?   If mobile you may have fuel limitations.  Fatigue and food for your own brain to function may be considerations.

    Can you delegate a 2IC to take the channel if you time out, or if you become unavailable for any reason?   You already identified keeping control of the frequency:  an intentionally delegated alternate is superior to it being not delegated - even if there are many other people available.

    Could this response end up going on long enough where you would want to establish an operational time window?   For the context here - that would be limited to scheduling a relief operator at a specified time and figuring out what the handover should look like.


    2. Some radio specific considerations

    Path.  Already mentioned mobile being able to move around - whether that is to a better location, or if it is to a worse location.

    If on a repeater - can you hear the emergency station on the input?  Can others?   This could give you a simplex contingency in event of a repeater failure.     In event of a repeater failure (including the repeater still working fine but the emergency station's path to the repeater stopped working for them) - one option could be to operate your own radio on 'reverse' and suggest the emergency station QSY to a simplex frequency.

    Does the emergency station have any preferences on action for you to take if you lose contact with them?   Agree on what to use for that criteria something like: no contact within 20 minutes past the last agreed upon contact.

    An example could be hikers who, unplanned, ended up out past sunset who think they will probably find their way but aren't sure.  If they find their way in a reasonable time: situation resolved itself.  But if you lose contact with them - then the default could be for you to engage SAR.

    Is the emergency station on limited batteries?  For a prolonged response - they might want to preserve what they have for battery life. One strategy could be to arrange scheduled contacts so they can turn their radio off.  While good for battery life - that substantially increases the risk of losing contact with them.

  • 13 Feb 2025 10:58 AM
    Reply # 13462782 on 13460515

    George, where can we access the course you mentioned? My search indicates a registration fee of $175 for an electronic version of study materials.

    We did have feedback from local 911 folks - basically, they said they have their question protocol that they follow & did not give any specific advice on how we might be better prepared.

    Wilson VA6JWL

  • 13 Feb 2025 7:44 AM
    Reply # 13462667 on 13460515

    Here are two suggestions. Since you created this from scratch, a good source to augment your work is the Maritime Radio Course on Distress Communication.

    Another great source would be to contact the 911 folks; they have a true and tried procedure. A recent call I made had these two questions first: how may we reconnect if needed and where are you?

    73 dit dit

  • 12 Feb 2025 11:13 AM
    Reply # 13462322 on 13460515
    Garry Spicer (Administrator)

    Thanks again, Wilson, and Colin, and Neeroo.

    Proper job all of you.

    I am working on some documentation for our Public Service Events. As it comes out, please help me to ensure that your group gets credit for this good work.

  • 11 Feb 2025 7:36 PM
    Reply # 13462052 on 13460515

    Garry, we built it from logic & thinking. As Colin says:

    Greetings,

    The outline is based on logic, experience, and observation. I have always been a strong supporter of “policy and procedure”. In this case I constructed a procedure to answer the question “What if there was an emergency?” This outline gave the best coverage for most situations. Depending on the situation, emergency services may not need all the information gathered, but one should be ready in case they do. The bigger the emergency, the greater the value of it. After I sent you the outline, I checked for other sources of information but came up short. So again I must admit, it was all me.

    Regards,

    Colin VE6GBY

    I built on Colin's & Neeroo's suggestions, developed the message, and then revised after discussion at CARATELS & feedback from EMS office & Ken VE6AFO. So, it isn't based on any other source.

    We're pleased if it can help any other processes, so go ahead & use as it fits your needs.

    Wilson VA6JWL

    Last modified: 11 Feb 2025 7:37 PM | Wilson Loree
  • 09 Feb 2025 1:26 PM
    Reply # 13460983 on 13460515
    Garry Spicer (Administrator)

    Hi Wilson;

    Thanks for compiling this. I have a couple of questions.

    I see that you, Colin, and Neeroo worked on this. Did you develop it based on your own experiences or are there other sources that you can cite?

    Would it be OK if I borrowed some of this material for use in Public Service Event (PSE) training documentation?


    Thanks
    Garry, VE6GDS


  • 08 Feb 2025 9:02 AM
    Reply # 13460683 on 13460515
    Peter LaGrandeur (Administrator)

    Well done, Wilson VA6JWL, Colin VE6GBY, and Neeroo VE6NRO.  An excellent procedure for all those using the amateur radio bands.

  • 07 Feb 2025 2:38 PM
    Message # 13460515

    These ideas for response preparedness to respond to a radio call for emergency assistance has been prepared in response to discussions at CARATELS - our Net Control script says to ask for any emergency traffic. How would a Net Control respond? These notes can provide background understanding to prepare any operator to respond effectively.

    For a printer friendly version, see attached file. We welcome suggested improvements.

    DRAFT Ideas for an amateur radio operator to respond to an emergency radio call

    If you hear a call for an emergency while on the air on your own or as Net Control, first confirm that it is indeed an emergency call for help. Say "I hear a call for emergency - please say again" and then determine what's the situation and what's needed. Reply with your name & the message that you’ll try to help the caller.

    1. Determine the nature of the emergency – IS ANYONE INJURED? & what services are required (Police, EMS, Fire, Animal Control) so you can provide that information to 911 or other authorities. Make notes of the time, frequency & the information you’ll relay to get aid.

    2. Learn the location of the incidentbefore initiating your call, - you want to know: Is it an address? Is it on the road? Is it on the Highway? Is it off-road? Ask the party what street (ave), what direction, before or after what cross street (ave), what highway/road, nearby town. This helps emergency services know the best way to approach.

    3. How many involved?Number of people, number of injuries, and if animals are involved as passengers or victims. Is there fire? You may be asked for name/birth date.

    4. What is involved? Is it a vehicle incident? Wildlife? Structure? Landscape?

    5. Call 911 or relevant authorities and advise them that you are relaying for a third party by radio. This way they know there may be pauses in your response to their questions. If the emergency involves 911, the first questions you will be asked is “What is the location of the emergency? What is the nature of the emergency? Are there any injuries?” and/or “What service do you require?” Name what service (Police, EMS, Fire, Animal Control) so they can bring that up on their response call-out screen. 911 operators will have their question protocol to identify the required response.

    6. Provide the information you’ve gathered in response to 911’s questions, supplementing with responses relayed to & from the original caller. Follow the guidance of the authorities if they want you to stay on the line & relay messages to the emergency caller.

    7. Remember to stay calm. Even if you know the person you are relaying for, you must first gather the needed information before you provide comfort. If you are calm and unemotional it will help to keep their emotions at bay while gathering information.

    8. Keep control of the frequency- State you are handling an emergency and to please stand by. Repeat this several times during the emergency in case someone just just tuned in and is preparing to make contact. If your request was missed, then let the caller know and to please stand by. As controller, you may ask another radio operator do this for you as you may be busy with Emergency Services.

    For those listening, Do Not offer help unless asked to do so, Net Control is in control. Emergency Services is likely going to keep you on line until they report Emergency Responders have arrived or the party you are relaying for tells you they have arrived. This will end your 911 call.

    You can now thank those waiting patiently and get back to your Net or return the repeater to regular service.

    Prepared by Wilson VA6JWL with input from Colin, VE6GBY & Neeroo VE6NRO Fall 2024


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